Defending Censorship American-Style (With Noodles)
Something of a continuation of the story below, there's two BBC stories today on multinational Internet firms in China. It seems that there is at least a movement now to enforce firms to be more accountable in their dealings with China and not just to view it as a massive profit zone - which it isn't anyway.
The first story concerns a congressional hearing on net firms complicity in China. Now, there are two sides of the argument. The first, which I discuss in yesterday's post, is that it's the PRC government that censors and not the companies. In the words of Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako:
"All US and international firms operating in China face the same dilemma of complying with laws that lack transparency and that can have disturbing consequences inconsistent with our own beliefs."
"The choice in China is not whether to comply with law enforcement demands, it is whether to remain in China."
And that is fair enough. However, when Yahoo actually shops Internet dissidents to the authorities, to face imprisonment without fair trail and possible torture, Yahoo is fully accountable for human rights abuses.
Let's turn to the response, also reprinted below. Now, while the US-led Internet firms are acting in a highly dubious fashion, one only needs to read stuff like this to understand the truth of the matter.
'Government official Liu Zhengrong' has the basic attitude that everyone in the west is stupid and that China is perfect. It's typical of Chinese spokesmen to display these kind of sentiments (see this entry on animal abuse too), which in my view are utterly self defeating. Who, honestly, actually believes them? How idiotic do they think we are?
"After studying internet legislation in the West, I've found we basically have identical legislative objectives and principles," Mr Liu was quoted as telling the state-run China Daily newspaper on Tuesday.
"It is unfair and smacks of double standards when (foreigners) criticise China for deleting illegal and harmful messages, while it is legal for US websites to do so," he said.
Give me strength. I know that things are different between China and the West cos I've been to both places and tried to use the Internet, read the papers and watched the TV. Yes, there are limitations on free speech here, but nothing whatsoever comparable to China. And to suggest that 'no-one has been arrested just for writing online content'...
I'd advise Google, Yahoo and their brethren to read both reports, sit back in a darkened room and think very carefully about what they'll say to Congress.
Net firms face grilling on China
By Matthew Davis
BBC News, Washington
Leading US technology companies will hit back at allegations they are complicit in censoring internet users at a Congressional hearing on the ethics of doing business in China.
US lawmakers last month accused Microsoft, Yahoo, Cisco Systems and Google of giving into pressure from Beijing and censoring websites in violation of American principles of free speech.
China's rapidly expanding online market has become a powerful magnet for foreign investment and for a steady stream of IT professionals from around the world.
The country's internet population - some 111 million, 64 million of whom have broadband - is second in size only to the US.
Yet the Chinese government enforces strict laws on internet use, blocking content it considers a threat, including references to the Tiananmen Square massacre and notable dissidents.
The row over censorship is proving embarrassing and potentially damaging for companies, who are facing increasing pressure not to conform to Beijing's conditions.
Last month Tom Lantos, Democratic head of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, said there had been "a string of disturbing incidents" in which US-based companies had "caved in to Beijing for the sake of profits".
Media watchdog Reporters Without Borders has accused Yahoo of providing China with information that helped identify and convict two internet writers.
Li Zhi was jailed for eight years in 2003, after posting comments that criticised official corruption. Writer Shi Tao, was sentenced to 10 years in prison in April 2005 after criticising human rights abuses.
Google came under fire last month after it announced it would block politically sensitive terms on its new China search site, in agreement with conditions set by Beijing.
The controversy has particular resonance because it concerns the suppression of political expression on the internet, a technology that many users see as an empowering and democratising force - where it is allowed to be.
Senior figures from the four internet companies are expected to say that they need governments to work with them to protect the interests of all internet services when they go before the House International Relations subcommittee on global human rights.
In a joint statement issued last month, Microsoft and Yahoo said that they lacked the leverage on their own to influence world governments.
Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako told the BBC: "All US and international firms operating in China face the same dilemma of complying with laws that lack transparency and that can have disturbing consequences inconsistent with our own beliefs."
She added: "The choice in China is not whether to comply with law enforcement demands, it is whether to remain in China."
Microsoft founder Bill Gates last month told delegates at the World Economic Forum that state censorship was no reason for technology companies not to do business in China.
Mr Gates said the internet "is contributing to Chinese political engagement" as "access to the outside world is preventing more censorship".
"I do think information flow is happening in China ... saying that even by existing there, contributions to a national dialogue have taken place. There's no doubt in my mind that's been a huge plus."
Chinese use of the internet is also of great interest to policy-makers who are watching the impact of the change in mass communication, especially in the context of China's cultural and political traditions.
Professor Guo Liang, of Beijing's Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, recently published results from his in-depth, multi-year study of internet use in China and its impact on Chinese society.
When it came to the internet and politics, Prof Guo found respondents had very strong expectations that the internet would effect positive change in politics in China.
More than 60% of those surveyed agreed or "strongly agreed" that high-level officials would "better understand the common people's views through the internet".
And here is the Chinese response:
China defends internet regulation
China has responded to international criticism of its internet regulations by saying its rules are "fully in line" with the rest of the world.
Government official Liu Zhengrong said western criticism of China's internet censorship smacked of double standards.
He also said no one had been arrested just for writing online content.
According to a BBC correspondent in Beijing, Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, these assertions contrast sharply with a number of recent cases.
Several people are reported to have been jailed in recent years for posting information on the internet deemed subversive.
Shi Tao, a Chinese journalist, was last year jailed for 10 years for sending foreign-based websites the text of an internal Communist Party message.
The Chinese official's comments came amid mounting concern in the US about how its companies are operating in China, because of local regulations.
Internet firm Yahoo has been accused by human rights groups of providing information to Chinese authorities that led to two internet users - inlcuding Mr Shi - being imprisoned.
Companies like Google have also been criticised for deciding to censor their search engines in China.
China's authorities are also facing internal opposition to a crackdown on media freedom.
On Tuesday, a group of former senior Communist Party officials published an open letter to denounce the recent closure of investigative newspaper Bingdian (Freezing Point), and said strict censorship might "sow the seeds of disaster" for China's political transition.
For years the outside world has been criticising China for its control of the internet. Now the Beijing government is hitting back, our correspondent says.
China is no different from Western nations like the US and Britain in the way it controls the internet, argued Mr Liu Zhengrong, deputy chief of the Internet Affairs Bureau of the State Council Information Office.
"After studying internet legislation in the West, I've found we basically have identical legislative objectives and principles," Mr Liu was quoted as telling the state-run China Daily newspaper on Tuesday.
"It is unfair and smacks of double standards when (foreigners) criticise China for deleting illegal and harmful messages, while it is legal for US websites to do so," he said.
He also said that only a "very few" foreign websites were blocked, and that was mostly because they contained pornography or terrorist information.
The BBC News website continues to be blocked in China.
And he insisted that "no one in China has been arrested simply because he or she said something on the internet".
Another well-known case which appeared to contradict this statement involves Li Zhi, who was sentenced to eight years's jail in 2003 for "subversion". Human rights groups said Mr Li and four others jailed in 2003 were posting opinions on the internet and calling for political change.
GREAT FIREWALL OF CHINA
Foreign websites covering politics and sensitive issues are blocked
Chinese internet providers face strict censorship
Websites, forums and blogs must officially register and are monitored
China's internet 'police' thought to number 50,000 censors





